Interview with Ben van Berkel
“Suddenly, you step into the landscape through the house.”
Interview between Vladimir Belogolovsky and Ben van Berkel, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
(Unabridged)
November 9, 2023
Content
00:00 Highlights
02:06 Saying hello
02:25 About the last interview
03:34 This whole interview is on the Möbius House
03:38 On the clients' brief for the Möbius House
04:02 Rem Koolhaas was interviewed for this house
04:12 The client was keen to get to know me because of the Erasmus Bridge (1990-96)
04:38 Why did the clients hire you and not Rem Koolhaas?
05:30 "When I am on location, I can imagine how landscape can relate to each room."
06:22 "They liked that I wanted to understand their lifestyle."
06:30 Clockwise activities from the morning, afternoon, evening, and all day.
07:12 On the clients' brief
08:16 "When the kids are older, we still want to see them coming home but not hear."
08:50 On wanting to be next to the landscape and living next to the tree.
09:24 On challenging to design a house that would renew the architectural language.
10:15 On collaboration with the clients.
11:30 "The client was somehow my consultant at the same time."
12:27 Furniture was designed as an integral part of the design
12:40 On the design process, one of the first developed digitally
14:15 The initial design was sketched by hand
14:45 On participating in Columbia University Paperless Studio run by Stan Allen
17:10 "We started the dialogue about how new tools could bring new architectural effects."
18:02 On the spirit of experimentation in the 1990s, when new digital tools emerged.
19:37 On design options for the Möbius House
20:40 On early cardboard models now in the collection of MoMA
20:51 "Options were necessary."
21:10 On being influenced by Friedrick Kiesler, John Lautner, and the Situationists.
22:35 Take all complex aspects and parameters to bring them into one gesture of a house.
23:33 On the Möbius House diagram with four quadrants of the landscape.
24:39 On the idea of double-sided qualities of the Möbius Strip
24:57 Two primary materials of the house are glass and concrete.
24:10 "You can see kids coming home, but you can't hear them."
25:23 Where did the idea of using Möbius Strip as the organizational principle come from?
26:40 Was it the first project to be designed based on the Möbius Strip?
27:05 "Architecture needs to be defined through its organizational principles."
27:40 Talk about your favorite moments in the house.
28:18 “In a way, you step into the landscape through the house.”
28:52 On special furniture made of concrete and cantilevered over
29:22 On ideas by Gilles Deleuze: radical freedom, constantly unfolding, being in flux, etc.
30:46 Kaleidoscopic effect of a total experience of space and time simultaneously
31:05 On the comparison to Melnikov House, Moscow, 1927-29
33:00 On columns in the house
34:01 "I never liked single-column solutions."
34:30 Feedback from the clients on living in the house
36:01 "Every day was unlike yesterday."
38:28 The house is on three levels
37:35 On the Möbius House influence
39:43 Was the house built the way it was designed?
40:15 On working on the new proposal for the World Trade Center in New York
42:20 On Deconstructivist Architecture exhibition at MoMA, 1988 - last movement.
43:38 End
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