Thriving Amid Chaos: Stoicism, Virtue, and Therapy with Dr. Vervaeke & Joe Alto
Dr. John Vervaeke and Joe Alto explore the intersections of philosophy, psychology, virtue, and spirituality. Dr. Vervaeke, a cognitive psychologist, and Joe Alto, a campus minister, and aspiring clinical mental health counselor, dissect the modern meaning crisis and offer refreshing perspectives on living a virtuous life. This discussion is a nourishing blend of philosophical insights and therapeutic practices, creating a unique roadmap for anyone grappling with questions of meaning, goodness, and beauty. The episode brings forth debates on the diminishing efficacy of Cognitive Behavioral Therapy and underscores the essentialness of integrating philosophical ideas back into modern psychology. Joe Alto also shares compelling thoughts on his role as a spiritual guide in today's complex world, especially for those navigating existential challenges. This episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking to cultivate virtues, tackle a meaning crisis, or simply broaden their understanding of spirituality and mental health.
Joe Alto is a burgeoning intellectual force in the realms of psychology, philosophy, and theology. Currently a Clinical Mental Health Counseling student and the Campus Minister at Woodstock University in Cleveland, Ohio, Joe effortlessly melds academia with spirituality as a devoted Catholic. He's the charismatic host of "The Gist with Joe," a YouTube channel where he engages in enlightening conversations with great minds to distill the essence—the "gist"—of their intellectual and spiritual quests. His explorations focus on unearthing the good, the true, and the beautiful, making each dialogue not just a discussion, but a journey towards deeper understanding.
Resources:
Joe Alto: YouTube | Podcast
Dr. John Vervaeke: Website | YouTube | Patreon | X | Facebook
The Vervaeke Foundation
Voices with Vervaeke - YouTube:
Discovering the Four Leaps: Reason, Love, Faith, and Body | DC Schindler and Ken Lowry
The Quest for a Spiritual Home: Conference Warmup | John Vervaeke, Jonathan Pageau & Paul VanderKlay
AI: The Coming Thresholds and The Path We Must Take | Internationally Acclaimed Cognitive Scientist
More Christ - YouTube:
Paul Vander Klay, Spencer Klavan, and Michael Martin: Presence and Community in the Internet Age
Rafe Kelley - YouTube
John Vervaeke & Lex Friedman on Return to the Source
Alone with Others: An Existential Approach to Buddhism - Stephen Batchelor
How to Save the West: Ancient Wisdom for 5 Modern Crises - Spencer Klavan
The Primacy of Beauty, the Centrality of Goodness, and the Ultimacy of Truth - D.C. Schindler
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT)
Emotion-Focused Therapy (EFT)
People:
Rick Repetti
Henri de Lubac
Clay Rutledge
Nancy Snow
Ryan Barton
Eric Foster (Upfire Digital)
Timecodes:
00:00:00 - Introduction: Dr. John Vervaeke welcomes guests for a discussion.
00:02:07 - Intersection of Beliefs: Dr. Vervaeke and Joe Alto discuss the overlap between their work and Catholic beliefs, focusing on truth, goodness, and beauty.
00:04:01 - Spirituality in Counseling: Various religious beliefs' role in mental health care.
00:07:57 - Philosophical Counseling: Dr. Vervaeke introduces philosophical counseling as a solution to existential confusion in mental health.
00:11:00 - Catering to High-Insight Individuals: Joe Alto's plans for assisting individuals with high insight.
00:15:00 - Virtue and Beauty: Joe explores the connection between virtue and beauty.
00:17:00 - Virtue and Beauty in Psychotherapy: Examining how beauty and virtue impact psychotherapy.
00:19:20 - Guilt and Self-Awareness: Discussion on guilt among highly insightful individuals.
00:23:20 - The Universal Triad: Dr. Vervaeke introduces the triad of truth, goodness, and beauty.
00:27:40 - Balancing Truth, Goodness, and Beauty: Exploring the balance of truth, goodness, and beauty.
00:38:33 - Critique of CBT: Dr. Vervaeke critiques Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT).
00:41:20 - Blending Cognitive and Existential Techniques: Benefits of blending cognitive and existentialist techniques in therapy.
00:46:20 - Virtue Cultivation Research: Joe Alto discusses research on virtue cultivation.
00:51:28 - Authentic Living: Dr. Vervaeke's aspiration for authentic living.
00:54:02 - Mindfulness and Dialogical Practices: Highlighting mindfulness and dialogical practices.
01:00:25 - Fatherhood and Understanding Existence: Reflections on how fatherhood enriches understanding.
01:03:31 - Influence and Humility: Dr. Vervaeke's hope to influence while staying humble.
01:07:58 - Virtue, Virtuosity, and the Virtual World: Exploring virtue in the virtual realm.
01:10:20 - The Nature of Beauty: Discussion on physical attractiveness and inner beauty.
01:13:05 - Conclusion: Episode concludes with insights on inner beauty's significance.
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