Is the Mormon Church an Unhealthy Organization? w/ John Larsen | Ep. 1757
Sometimes we find ourselves involved in organizations, governments and communities that might be psychologically unhealthy to us or our communities. John Larsen has collected a few points you can use to check to see if an organization might be considered dangerous or unhealthy.
Episode Show Notes: https://www.mormonstories.org/podcast...
00:00:00 Intro & recap
00:05:30 John Larsen invites callers to correct him if he says something untrue
00:06:15 John addresses complaints over his “rhetorical style”
00:09:00 Anger is justified over the pain and lost opportunities of Mormonism
00:13:30 John Dehlin’s goals for Mormon Stories
00:18:00 John Larsen’s rage is in essence “proxy” work for many listeners
00:23:00 Two deconstructions
00:26:45 You have everything you need to deconstruct Mormonism by a 9th grade education
00:29:00 Great books for more info
00:36:00 Use of the word “cult”
00:37:00 Stephen Hassan’s Influence Continuum
00:39:30 1. Elections w/ only one candidate for office (compared to laughing @ Soviets)
00:40:20 2. All members expected to vote in unison in public
00:42:50 3. The leader is called “beloved”
00:47:33 4. Loyal members calling for reform/change are purged or silenced.
00:50:30 Church’s first instinct is to go for blood, even when they know they are wrong
00:XX:XX 5. No means for membership to appeal a decision
00:58:20 6. The group is willing to break up family structures
01:03:45 7. Members are encouraged to look/dress the same.
01:04:30 Women are especially policed
01:05:30 The purpose of conformity is condition to obey & uplift the “brand”
01:08:15 8. Life events are controlled by the organization
01:13:32 9. Internal Messaging vs outside media
01:18:50 10. Overly focused on going after vulnerable populations - elderly, poor, grieving, etc
01:22:00 JL Rant: I’d be EMBARRASSED to make the argument that I benefited from something off the backs of others
01:23:45 11. Group is involved in businesses or monetary transactions unrelated to the main enterprise
01:30:50 12. Members are encouraged to never say anything negative about leadership
01:33:20 13. Organization uses litigation to suppress dissent (SLAP)
01:36:40 14. Community leaders chosen by central org. Local leaders have no say in who leadership will be
01:45:20 15. Governance structure is hidden/unknown
01:51:05 16. Obedience is encouraged over all other values
01:55:00 Endless menagerie of nitpicking rules
01:57:00 17. Obsessed with intimate details of members lives
01:58:00 John Dehlin mentions weird questions asked by Bishops
02:01:00 John Larsen over confusing metaphorical lesson on masturbation
02:04:45 18. Leadership tends to speak of the victim-hood of the organization even in endeavors where the organization has a majority or controlling influence.
02:08:20 19. Organizational history is overly sentimentalized and edited
02:10:15 20. Organization insists on primacy or that it’s more important than EVERY other organization in the world
02:13:00 21. Obsessive focus on outside looks
02:20:00 John Larsen wishes Mormonism focused on Christ
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